A833 rebuild

[Bozwell]

Think I may have a pressure plate issue; when in neutral with the rear wheels of the ground it is still doing around 20mph as I found when I put her in the garage.

that's normal. just a bit of drag from the oil.



if the wheels are on the ground and it's moving in neutral then you have an issue, but usually you can't get gears then anyway

if all else seems normal then I'd say the gearbox is fine. a new clutch may make the pedal effort lighter for more comfort.

[gmopar59]

Thanks all, waiting on rear drums and cylinders so I can get her over to my mates place. Drums were shot too. We will get it sorted. Got stuff on way from rockauto! I thought the shipping issue was Brexit but saw posts on another forum from Italy, Finland, Poland etc, so not just us.

[gmopar59]

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BTW, Cultra hill climb on tomorrow from 9am. Live stream for those interested. Don't know what the weather is like for you but dire here. Cultra is the Ulster folk and transport museum, one of my old workplaces, may head over myself.. look up Ulster transport museum website. Will be in the wife's polo. Not the same.

[gmopar59]

Sorry, Ulster folk museum.

[gmopar59]

Well finally got the dart over to my mates. 70 miles away with only left front brake. Left early to avoid traffic. Will be removing gearbox and will put a more factory clutch in. The dual friction centre force is too heavy for me now. Any recommendations for a factory clutch? 340ci manual 4 speed. I believe rockauto aren't shipping to UK now. Will be a while though, couple booked in before me. The barracuda needs a lot of work. Pics attached.

[Blue]

When I was 20 I wouldn’t have even considered an automatic American car, I’ve had a good few 4 speed cars and converted cars to 4 speed. These days I’m the other way, wouldn’t want a 4 speed and I’ve converted a few 4 speed cars to auto. No cutting required its pretty much bolt in. Converting an auto to fully manual operation does away with the troublesome kick down linkage, and gives you full control without a heavy clutch to deal with which is a godsend in traffic. A decent cable operated shifter can be positioned just where you want it for ease of use. I think your car is small block? In which case a 904 will do you, you don’t even need a 727.

[gmopar59]

Thanks Blue but I am perfectly happy with a 4 speed, just need to be a bit lighter. Had the 727 in my gtx and could sort that myself but that was nearly 40 years ago. I'm going to stick with the manual. I don't drive that much now and when Tony O valued it after I got it from Skippy, he did highlight that it was a 4 speed. All the best. Gerry.

[Pete]

Interesting, I have had 6 four speeds, and I found the Centreforce clutch (without the over-centre spring installed) to be the lightest clutch of them all..... we had to limit the Clutch pedal travel to prevent the release bearing pushing the Clutch plate over-centre (the Yanks call it "Breaking its Back" for some reason...)

[gmopar59]

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Ear wig Joe. We have no idea what's going on. The bolts on the flywheel have been hit hard. Was very hard to get a gear. I'm attaching 2 pics. New clutch is here but in conversation with Brewers. They don't know either.

[Dave999]

oh that has unearthed an unhappy memory....... clutch plate in backwards?

the fat side with the cush-drive springs should always face away from the flywheel

see picture, that shows the correct way.. see the bit where his hand is...if you put that side facing the flywheel bolts in some cases it will bolt up fine and work, BUT the springs rub the bolt heads.....

this means often when you are on the clutch, the disc still spins along with the flywheel as the springs in the centre of the plate are pinging off the bolt heads
and then its a lot of hard work to get into gear

don't ask how i know.... long time ago but the air was blue as soon as i started it......

anyway this may well explain why you could have the rear wheels in the air. sit in the car with it running in gear and with your clutch flat to the floor and still have considerable drive to the rear wheels.

bet you had to nearly push the peddle through the floor..... with it the right way you won't, the bite point is about 1.5 inches of travel normally, not the full throw of the peddle

also if you put it in the wrong way, the spline hub is also too far towards the end of the input shaft.. you won't have full spline coverage as the front will be hanging over into the taper

if its always been in backwards its a potential cause of all of your concerns


David