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Yes Andy.
I am very interested in this and Battleships in general.

Jutland had the highest killing rate of any WW1 battle, a highly significant battle which had a significant impact on the outcome of the war; but is often overlooked because it did not deliver the "Nelson" type victory the British were after

Interesting, I'll have a read of that. I'm actually going to Jutland for a mooch about in July.

Pete wrote:Yes Andy.
I am very interested in this and Battleships in general.

Jutland had the highest killing rate of any WW1 battle, a highly significant battle which had a significant impact on the outcome of the war; but is often overlooked because it did not deliver the "Nelson" type victory the British were after

Yes at the time was considered a battle victory for the germans but unknown to them it was strategically an allied victory, as after this the kaiser never risked his ships again.
Love anything like this

I have been on the BB63 US Missouri and stood where the Japanese actually surrendered in WWII. History or what?

Pete wrote:I have been on the BB63 US Missouri and stood where the Japanese actually surrendered in WWII. History or what?

thats on my bucket list Pete, ive never been on an Iowa class yet

Have been on USS Intrepid CV11 in New york
and the only dreadanought left USS Texas at Houston

I did a commemorative plate last year for the royal navy, just one with the RN logo and words about the battle.

bit odd putting it through the factory in Germany.......I'm doing stuff for the raf 100 year anniversary next year as well.

the Germans are cool with it though and are now used to the military stuff I do for work.

to be honest the family were not fans of the Nazi regime so didn't allow the factories to be used for the war effort.

Pete wrote:I have been on the BB63 US Missouri and stood where the Japanese actually surrendered in WWII. History or what?

Been there too Pete,broke away from my American friends and was standing at the side of the ship lookin' out when this big fella pulls up beside me and says "you ever seen or been on a ship this size" I turned round and said "i come from a country that invented this Bananarama!" well without the Bananarama! bit,did I mention he was big.
Got to educate Americans best I can.
Clyde built.

Nice one Bryan, but I do not think the Brits built anything as big as the Iowa Class as we actually abided by the Treaty.

I think Nelson and Rodney were as big as the RN got...14" guns....

andyrob wrote:

Pete wrote:I have been on the BB63 US Missouri and stood where the Japanese actually surrendered in WWII. History or what?

thats on my bucket list Pete, ive never been on an Iowa class yet

Have been on USS Intrepid CV11 in New york
and the only dreadanought left USS Texas at Houston

The Texas was British built and re-named.

There is one British ship that still survives that actually fought at Jutland...

There are a few Iowa Class that still survive as museum ships.

Clearly the Missouri is the furthest away from the UK...

You have got to love a 16/50 that can fire a shell the weight of a VW Beetle 23 miles and group them in the size of a football field using analogue computers...whilst bobbing around on a 20 foot swell.

Pete wrote:Nice one Bryan, but I do not think the Brits built anything as big as the Iowa Class as we actually abided by the Treaty.

I think Nelson and Rodney were as big as the RN got...14" guns....

Rodney & Nelson were the biggest guns ever for the RN but were 16" but didnt pack as much punch as the BL 15", however they were probably 2 of our toughest battleships ever which sacrificed speed for armour, designed to be much bigger before they treaty they end up been been a cut down version and only had 2 props instead of 4, but had a mega armoured belt and of coarse 9 x 16" which achieved, the longest hits of WW2, during operation overlord Rommel kept in heavy panzers what he thought was out of range of the RN, but one of his divisons was wiped out by, cant remember which one rodney of nelson
Sorry for been a train spotter but love anything like this, ever since building airfix model kits of ww2 battleships/tanks/aircraft when I was a real kid (not a big kid like now )

anyhow a bit more jutland
http://argunners.com/watch-battle-jutland-animation/

Not up on these things as much as you and Andy was thinking Dreadnoughts when I said to the big fella.
Funny thing was that my mate and his dad took me to the USS Hornet and was taken round by an old hand that served on the ship and got quite pally with him and he recognised where I was from and would point out to my mate all the British inventions on the ship to which on the third one he said "God dam it enough!!"

Nelson shelled the Panzers, and you are correct they did have 16" Guns, they reverted to 14" for the KGV class after them.

Pete wrote:

andyrob wrote:

Pete wrote:I have been on the BB63 US Missouri and stood where the Japanese actually surrendered in WWII. History or what?

thats on my bucket list Pete, ive never been on an Iowa class yet

Have been on USS Intrepid CV11 in New york
and the only dreadanought left USS Texas at Houston

The Texas was British built and re-named.

There is one British ship that still survives that actually fought at Jutland...

There are a few Iowa Class that still survive as museum ships.

Clearly the Missouri is the furthest away from the UK...

You have got to love a 16/50 that can fire a shell the weight of a VW Beetle 23 miles and group them in the size of a football field using analogue computers...whilst bobbing around on a 20 foot swell.

Not quite, Pete.

Off Lebanon the New Jersey's 16" shells were an average 10000m, yes that's ten thousand metres, five miles, off target. Even the US Marines weren't very impressed.