Shoreham Airshow Disaster

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Post by Cannonball » Sun Aug 23, 15 7:37 pm

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Cannonball wrote:Terrible......... i know you guys love this stuff, i think it should all be stopped there are just to many flying accidents at events like this
Maybe we should ban anything that's remotely dangerous and take up gardening, or alternatively the organisers could look at ways to make it safer without reducing the excitement and visual spectacle for the paying public.
Thats actually a silly comment, my feeling is there is just to much chance of a very very serious accident waiting to happen with this type of event the public could not go anywhere if one were to crash in there vicinity,,,, and the fireball from it is very evident in the pic above,,,,,,
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Post by Don » Sun Aug 23, 15 9:29 pm

Quite simply, as my father-in-law rightly said, there are only 2 reasons for a plane to be near the ground, taking off or landing ... end of. Doing a loop over a populated area is always going to carry an element of risk. And Mick, don't forget, there were no casualties within the air show, they were all on a public highway. One car that I saw was a Daimler limo going to pick up a bride, it had its roof sliced off. So saying, oh, we should take up gardening etc is ridiculous. Air shows have proved themselves to be dangerous for many years and it needs sorting
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Post by Adrian Worman » Sun Aug 23, 15 10:01 pm

As much as I'm horrified at the deaths & injuries to the public, I really do get what Mick is saying.
Knee jerk reaction to any edgy & exciting activity will be spewed all across the media for the next few weeks.

Air crash fatalities have, altho dreadful, been restricted to just the pilots, people who accept the risks of smacking the ground or colliding with each other.

This is altogether different I know, but I still want them to continue, albeit with some less ambitious stunts.
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Post by newport100 » Sun Aug 23, 15 10:17 pm

I can see both sides of the argument but this should never happen again, stakes are far too high , 11 deaths is terrible but it could actually have been a lot more



The investigation should eventually reveal what went wrong and then hopefully more safeguards put in place

until then I think these events should be suspended if only for respect to the victims and their families

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Post by Steve » Sun Aug 23, 15 10:39 pm

That photo and the first hand accounts of this disaster are horrific!!

A very emotive subject and hopefully these events can be made safer somehow. I watched a programme recently about the big car crash at Le Mans in the 50s that killed dozens of spectators. I know things are very different now and that wouldn't happen at a modern F1 event.

I know planes and cars are different but maybe the is a way that the powers that be can make it safer without losing the excitement and spectacle??

I saw a fantastic display right above me at Silverstone a few years ago. It was a Typhoon Eurofighter and it was VERY close to the crowd. Spectacular but if it had gone wrong, hundreds of people could have died.

No easy answer unfortunately, don't think we can have the excitement without the danger....just my opinion.

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Post by Mick » Sun Aug 23, 15 11:07 pm

Whilst i agree it was a rather rash comment, banning something is not the answer, you encourage that sort of mindset and before you know it anything that has risk attached to it gets banned.
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Post by Charger » Mon Aug 24, 15 9:28 am

Mick wrote:Whilst i agree it was a rather rash comment, banning something is not the answer, you encourage that sort of mindset and before you know it anything that has risk attached to it gets banned.
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Yep, and before you know it all cars over 25 year old would be banned / off the road, and then we’d all be upset

Horrific for sure

No denying that

Probably needs to be some middle ground here

I can see it where such displays involving vintage aircraft near towns and main roads will be stopped

But air shows such as Southport where the display takes place over the beach / sea will be allowed to continue (the beach is closed during the show and used for light aircraft landing / taking off)
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Post by latil » Mon Aug 24, 15 10:01 am

Yes,Eastbourne is over the sea,much safer. It all needs rational thought,not knee jerk reactions.
After all The Pod didn't stop after the death of a spectator a few years ago,just a freak accident that no extra precautions could stop.
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Post by Don » Mon Aug 24, 15 10:34 am

I don't quite see the relevance of a major air show disaster and banning cars over the age of 25 years.
I think more to the point is the location.
I am now actively involved with the movement banning air shows at Shoreham Airport as the surrounding area is too densely populated
There is Shoreham town to the east, our village of Lancing to the west, a band of sea front properties to the south and the A27 to the north all very close to the airport perimeter.
Dunsfold on the other hand (where Wings and Wheels is to be held next weekend) for example, is pretty much in the middle of nowhere with only Dunsfold village to the north, far more suited in my opinion
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Post by Pete » Mon Aug 24, 15 10:52 am

I think I am always a bit concerned about the automatic "Ban" reaction and statements (particularly from the media who like a bit of a headline and a "frenzy" story) to any situation where there is an element of potential danger out of the ordinary. It seems as ever that the world is full of "experts".

I would hope there is a more measured response and facts taken from the Air Investigators before any ruling is made.

I am sure a review of flight plans and in particular aerobatics near built up areas and carriageways will take place and more stringent permissions will be introduced in the light of this terrible incident, and that is all to the good.

However, you cannot de-risk everything, just in racing as the Pod found out.

I for one sincerely hope that flying days are maintained, and that they are subsequently made as safe as possible.
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Post by Dave81 » Mon Aug 24, 15 1:49 pm

Very sad for all involved.

The easiest step from the get go is to stop the aircraft doing loops, barrel rolls when at low level?

Loads of videos on Youtube showing pilots misjudging or the plane stalling, getting no thrust and bouncing of the earth. Unfortunately in this case, this was on the A27 and not the runway.

At least if the plane has an issue flying at speed at low level flyover, the pilot can partially glide to an area where the consequences are less horrific.

Would I want to see these events banned......No.
But I have to say some of the stuff the pilots do needs to be regulated.

Again......Very sad for all concerned.......... :(
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Post by Blue » Mon Aug 24, 15 6:11 pm

I don't think you can compare Air shows to anything else. I can't think of any other public event where an incident almost certainly means fatalities. Hopefully there will be a measured response.
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Post by comeonsasha » Mon Aug 24, 15 7:28 pm

Try the Isle of Man Blue ... Another grizzly role call most years , now that really does need banning ..

Latest news is saying no more vintage aircraft performing stunts till further notice .
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Post by Adrian Worman » Mon Aug 24, 15 7:41 pm

comeonsasha wrote:Try the Isle of Man Blue ... Another grizzly role call most years , now that really does need banning .. .

Yeah ban that bloody bikers are really silly ain't they?
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Post by comeonsasha » Mon Aug 24, 15 7:47 pm

Not gonna comment on that Adrian , maybe refer to my profile before typing ...
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