Scottish Independence.

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Tue Aug 26, 14 12:36 am

Lol, those straws keep being clutched at

Oil and gas make up 15% of Scotland GDP. But, and this is a big but Scotland oil is not about to run out.

Let me ask you. Who's benefit is it that we are all lead to believe that he North Sea Oil is about to run out? Who gets the revenue from the soon to run out Cash Cow? Who'd debt is propped up by the Oil an Gas revenue? Is it the same people who will not allow you to vote on Scottish independence? Hmmmmm, there's a connection here and Im just cant grasp it.....

I work in this game, Its my bread and butter. West of Shetland is gonna kick off, the only reason it has not so far is Trident patrols the water there. Well thats the excuse fed to us. But the BP Claire is going to produce 100,000bbls of oil per day! There is still 1-1.5 Trillion GBP of Oil n the Scottish held North Sea. Dave Cameron was up in Shetland before the news broke.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-nor ... d-23681061

latil wrote:Until the oil runs out.

latil · Post by **latil** » Tue Aug 26, 14 6:47 am

Figures being quoted on oil reserves are in the 200 billion barrels range,far less than 1.5 trillion.

mad machs · Post by **mad machs** » Tue Aug 26, 14 8:06 am

Well lads, back in at work, obviously the first job is to fire up the rather elderly MoD pc equipment & examine the morning news.

Lastest polls predict a closer run thing than expected.

Personally my fingers are crossed.

But I still believe both Andy & myself will be dissapointed....

Dave999 · Post by **Dave999** » Tue Aug 26, 14 9:58 am

doesn't matter how many barrels

its whats in them that counts....

isn't north sea oil too rich in heavy tar and light gaseouse elements? or is that just some GCSE rubbish we were fed in the 1980s?

lacking the "good stuff".

How much of it gets made into petrol and lubricants and how much ends up as tarmac road and heating oil

if it costs more to refine than middle eastern or US crude i know where the money will be spent.

i'm sure it runs a passeneger ferry quite well but is it good for the old motor car

in the 70s the whole of the UK was going to get practically free Gas due to the excess amount coming off as they got the oil out

that never materialised so i'm dubious about any claims they make about the quality

i'm sure rhere is pleanty there but what is it....

and where do you stand on the idea that what was found as a union stays with the union? i'm sure we'll all have NO SAY but the government isn't going to just hand over the keys to the oil?

What is found as indepenedant stays independant?

is Aberdeen a particually rich area? who's making all the money?

BP isn't that British Petroleum?

When the new SP oil company starts up you will be winging your way to the Bank, but its BP, its big buisness that cares not one jot for which government it pays its taxes to....its still going to avoid paying as much as possible.

i don't mind YES or NO but YES is not defined in any way.....its a massive risk, salmond is saying the socttish people will decide if you stay in the pound.

well you can ask. but ultimately the answer could still be NO

PS the guys i vote for never get in either.......

dave

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Tue Aug 26, 14 10:30 am

Exactely, and by who? And why do you think so.

http://www.cityam.com/1408364399/sottis ... ays-report

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-sco ... s-28894505

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/we ... lands-oil/

latil wrote:Figures being quoted on oil reserves are in the 200 billion barrels range,far less than 1.5 trillion.

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Tue Aug 26, 14 10:34 am

Remember, North Sea Oil makes up 15% of Scotland's GDP, we would survive without it but of course its a huge boon with it. I wonder if England can survive without it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Crude

http://www.exxonmobil.com/crudeoil/abou ... brent.aspx

http://euanmearns.com/the-clair-oilfiel ... m-fiction/

The Claire Field, obviously having such poor oil quality whould make for a poor investment.

Then why have the big three invested nearly £5 Billion so far?

Dave999 wrote:doesn't matter how many barrels

its whats in them that counts....

isn't north sea oil too rich in heavy tar and light gaseouse elements? or is that just some GCSE rubbish we were fed in the 1980s?

lacking the "good stuff".

How much of it gets made into petrol and lubricants and how much ends up as tarmac road and heating oil

if it costs more to refine than middle eastern or US crude i know where the money will be spent.

i'm sure it runs a passeneger ferry quite well but is it good for the old motor car

in the 70s the whole of the UK was going to get practically free Gas due to the excess amount coming off as they got the oil out

that never materialised so i'm dubious about any claims they make about the quality

i'm sure rhere is pleanty there but what is it....

and where do you stand on the idea that what was found as a union stays with the union? i'm sure we'll all have NO SAY but the government isn't going to just hand over the keys to the oil?

What is found as indepenedant stays independant?

is Aberdeen a particually rich area? who's making all the money?

BP isn't that British Petroleum?

When the new SP oil company starts up you will be winging your way to the Bank, but its BP, its big buisness that cares not one jot for which government it pays its taxes to....its still going to avoid paying as much as possible.

i don't mind YES or NO but YES is not defined in any way.....its a massive risk, salmond is saying the socttish people will decide if you stay in the pound.

well you can ask. but ultimately the answer could still be NO

PS the guys i vote for never get in either.......

dave

mad machs · Post by **mad machs** » Tue Aug 26, 14 10:47 am

Trigger_Andy wrote:The Claire Field, obviously having such poor oil quality whould make for a poor investment. Then why have the big three invested nearly £5 Billion so far?

One could suggest that even low quality crude has a dollar tag, there are a number of applications that require the 'heavy trade' .

But not my field I'm afraid.

Right, must dash, back to work making sure the Falklands are well looked after

Dave81 · Post by **Dave81** » Tue Aug 26, 14 1:03 pm

OH..........MY GOD!!!

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITHOUT TARTAN OIL...............

If one positive will come out of all this.
The TV numpties will have to now state that Andy 'the dour twat' Murray, is not British!!

Nobody knows what will really happen as its all more Spin, Spin and damn lies!!

Will the Scottish economy collapse overnight......NO!
Will the lack of NSO mean that the UK will crumble and houses can be bought for 25 English pence! NO!

My guess is that we will still be closely pegged for the forseable!

Apart from the Scottish hate for the English and a divorce.......What do you ideally want out of the split (don't regurgitate spin please).....Honest Answer!!!!?

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Tue Aug 26, 14 1:30 pm

And keeping their FKP.

mad machs wrote:
Trigger_Andy wrote:The Claire Field, obviously having such poor oil quality whould make for a poor investment. Then why have the big three invested nearly £5 Billion so far?
One could suggest that even low quality crude has a dollar tag, there are a number of applications that require the 'heavy trade' .

But not my field I'm afraid.

Right, must dash, back to work making sure the Falklands are well looked after

mad machs · Post by **mad machs** » Tue Aug 26, 14 1:35 pm

Trigger_Andy wrote:And keeping their FKP.

Oh yes, team players those chaps

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Tue Aug 26, 14 1:43 pm

Your naivety over the oil issue is quite astounding Dave. Believe me, its not the love of Haggis that has Westminster knickers in a bunch just now.

Your wrong Dave, He's only British when he wins. Back to plain old Scottish when he loses.

Personable I would like to a Scotland in 20 years time where Norway is now. Pretty much end of.

Not just the wealth but the health as well. Norway was once owned by Denmark and Sweden. The tell their version Swedes of the Irishman, Englishman and Scotsman jokes with the Norwegians as the dumb Irishemn, only now its not funny as the Sweeds come over the boarder with cap in hand looking for jobs and the Norwegians are up ther with the best in Oil Technology. Their School system is amazing, and free, even for other nationalities. They are healthy and happy and also they get on with their brother nations. Something I think we could so with the English once we are free of the yoke.

I would like the world to see how strong Scotland is without the Westminster spin stating the contrary to keep us feeling downtrodden and dependent on England. I want the English to see that as well, that we are in fact on a par if not a stronger nation than England.

Financially its not going to affect me much as I will be paid out of Norway for the rest of my working life, I hope so anyway. I pay tax to Norway but my salary is through the roof compared to what I would earn in the UK sector. Im in a strong union that gets us better and better conditions each year. So Im all right. The difference is the Scots actually want a better country for each other. The unity of the nation has never been so adamant as it is just now. Of course that will die down but it will stay. Find a Scotsman in a bar in a remote country and he'll bee-line for the other Scotsman in the bar and be buddies for the rest of the night, you don't see that with the the English, not so much anyway.

Thats my personal views anyway.

Dave81 wrote:OH..........MY GOD!!!

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITHOUT TARTAN OIL...............

If one positive will come out of all this.
The TV numpties will have to now state that Andy 'the dour twat' Murray, is not British!!

Nobody knows what will really happen as its all more Spin, Spin and damn lies!!

Will the Scottish economy collapse overnight......NO!
Will the lack of NSO mean that the UK will crumble and houses can be bought for 25 English pence! NO!

My guess is that we will still be closely pegged for the forseable!

Apart from the Scottish hate for the English and a divorce.......What do you ideally want out of the split (don't regurgitate spin please).....Honest Answer!!!!?

Dave81 · Post by **Dave81** » Tue Aug 26, 14 9:33 pm

Trigger_Andy wrote:Your naivety over the oil issue is quite astounding Dave. Believe me, its not the love of Haggis that has Westminster knickers in a bunch just now.

Not naivety Andy, I just don't believe the spin that they have very easily got you hooked on!

For every pro (which there will be), there are cons!

It's like every general election........they promise you gold bars and low prices, you vote and get house bricks and redundancy!

This is why the voting public numbers are at an all time low and parties like UKIP have had a meteoric rise......... Of COURSE the SIP wouldn't spin Bananarama! up and feed it to the masses to justify power and money........OH NO!

Do I have the answers and crystal ball NO!
Like I said time will tell.

BUT, to believe every word and that there are no possible down sides...........I'd call THAT...........Naivety!

I look at it objectively........not through rose tinted oil barrels!

BJ Mac · Post by **BJ Mac** » Tue Aug 26, 14 9:47 pm

Be glad when its over. Sick of the crap being spouted from both sides to be honest

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Tue Aug 26, 14 9:51 pm

Dave, I keep telling ya. Oil is 15% Scottish GDP. You are making a much bigger deal out of it than I am and I work in this field. I work right at the core of Oil extraction, so believe me I know what Im taking about. The Oil Patch is small and word spreads fast. Im not talking about spin. Im talking about ears to the floor genuine reports. And even then I still believe Oil is not the be all and end all.

You are naive, or at least for the now. Maybe you'll get to continue in your ideological bliss if the No Votes somehow wing it. But reality will hit and hit hard when the 'Tartan Oil' no longer flows into England's Coffers.

Of course there will be cons at first, lots of them. No project starts of smoothly initially.

I know there is no utopia in this life, but if there is anything close to it it's Norway/Scandinavia. Have you ever been over? Id love to hear your views on thier model if you have , if not.....well..... you know....

Dave81 wrote:
Trigger_Andy wrote:Your naivety over the oil issue is quite astounding Dave. Believe me, its not the love of Haggis that has Westminster knickers in a bunch just now.
Not naivety Andy, I just don't believe the spin that they have very easily got you hooked on!

For every pro (which there will be), there are cons!

It's like every general election........they promise you gold bars and low prices, you vote and get house bricks and redundancy!

This is why the voting public numbers are at an all time low and parties like UKIP have had a meteoric rise......... Of COURSE the SIP wouldn't spin Bananarama! up and feed it to the masses to justify power and money........OH NO!

Do I have the answers and crystal ball NO!
Like I said time will tell.

BUT, to believe every word and that there are no possible down sides...........I'd call THAT...........Naivety!

I look at it objectively........not through rose tinted oil barrels!

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Tue Aug 26, 14 10:14 pm

Of course you are. But you dont live in Scotland. If England was basically owned by another country, Germany for example would you not want independence? Scotland is not just a Shire in England, we are a Country and we would like to govern ourselves as best as we see fit. Surely you can get on-board with that? Not many English can unfortunately. '

Why is that? And why the concern?

BJ Mac wrote:Be glad when its over. Sick of the crap being spouted from both sides to be honest