Scottish Independence.

[Trigger_Andy]

The NHS in rUK is being privatized, its only a matter of time and not much of that either.



If you where Scottish and had a viable chance to get away from all the corruption and a chance for a better country that kept the NHS and opposed the Bedrrom Tax, Welfare Cuts, The Royal Mail sell off and VAT increases would you
not also go for it and take the chance.

Remember, not one country that has gained independence from the UK through a referendum has asked to come back. Worth thinking about.

[Jon Connolly]

The NHS in rUK is being privatized, its only a matter of time and not much of that either.



If you where Scottish and had a viable chance to get away from all the corruption and a chance for a better country that kept the NHS and opposed the Bedrrom Tax, Welfare Cuts, The Royal Mail sell off and VAT increases would you
not also go for it and take the chance.

Remember, not one country that has gained independence from the UK through a referendum has asked to come back. Worth thinking about.

Andy

Yes of course I would BUT ,,,, I`m no economist and I would definately be very nervous.

I remember UK going into the ERM and then having to come out again ( Black Wednesday ) and that was down to 1 bloke George Soros speculating on currency ...

The emotional / romantic arguement is overwhelming I`m just a bit worried about the economics ????????????????????????

[Trigger_Andy]

Actually Norway is not that highly taxed. Well, put it this way I am better off being taxed in Norway than the UK.

I get around £10,000 tax free allowance each year then I pay a flat rate of 42%. In November we pay 50% tax so as to allow everyone to buy Christmas presents easier and in June we receive 12% of our previous years earnings tax free as 'Holiday Pay' this is to ensure everyone in the country can afford a vacation.

On top of this every loan an individual has we can claim 28% of the tax back on the interest payments. I have a Mortgage of around £400,000 and a car loan. This means I get around £4000 cash back each year.

On top of this regardless of what an individual earns you receive £100 per child each month as Child Benefit.

From next year I will be classed as a commuter. I will be paying tax and NI to Norway and living in the UK, well hopefully Scotland. I can claim 1.6nok (16p) per KM traveled but this is classes as driving from my house to my place of work. Generally this is a 4000km trip if I was to use a car. Thats around £640 I can write off of my taxes each time I travel to Norway and I will do this trip every other week. My flights will cost £300.

Yes, Norway is expensive but I have much more here than I ever did in the UK. There is no fat people, there is no boarded up shops, everyone is generally much happier. Honestly, if Scotland could end up like Norway we would be so much better off. But time will tell.

If Norway can do it there is no reason why Scotland cannot either. Scotland does not have to go to such draconian measures though.

As you know better than all of us Norway and Scandinavia is very highly taxed. I understand that Norway has the equivalent of a large sovereign wealth fund that everybody invests in ... I don`t know if " culturally " that level of taxation would sit well with the Scots ???

A couple more days and we`ll all know

[Trigger_Andy]

Its the NO campaign that is pushing the Emotional/romantic argument not the YES campaign. We are repeatedly told we are voting with out hearts regardless of the figures the YES side pump out to counter the lies coming out of Westminster.

I have posted countless arguments from te Financial Times, Forbes, Nobel economists and other non-biased sources that all state that Scotland would be financially stable and also stronger.

We have had enough of the pitiful scaremongering, its getting embarrassingly desperate. Its like England are suddenly taking everything Westminster and the Banks says as gospel when it was them that landed us with the debt and economy we now live in.

I think the majority of Scotland have had enough and for better or worse want to go it alone. Nobody here can answer me why Westminster is so so desperate to keep Scotland. Can anyone answer me that?

The NHS in rUK is being privatized, its only a matter of time and not much of that either.



If you where Scottish and had a viable chance to get away from all the corruption and a chance for a better country that kept the NHS and opposed the Bedrrom Tax, Welfare Cuts, The Royal Mail sell off and VAT increases would you
not also go for it and take the chance.

Remember, not one country that has gained independence from the UK through a referendum has asked to come back. Worth thinking about.

Andy

Yes of course I would BUT ,,,, I`m no economist and I would definately be very nervous.

I remember UK going into the ERM and then having to come out again ( Black Wednesday ) and that was down to 1 bloke George Soros speculating on currency ...

The emotional / romantic arguement is overwhelming I`m just a bit worried about the economics ????????????????????????

[Dave81]

If you where Scottish and had a viable chance to get away from all the corruption and a chance for a better country that kept the NHS and opposed the Bedrrom Tax, Welfare Cuts, The Royal Mail sell off and VAT increases would you not also go for it and take the chance.

Depends if you can look at it objectively?
If I were Scottish would I want to be Independent............ Yes, but I just couldn't vote yes to this! There are WAY to many points that have been missed or overlooked about If or when Scotland becomes independent! Not talking the big headline grabbers that you keep posting about, but the little nitty gritty stuff that will be day to day living!

I'm not risk averse but without more info on all aspects of Independent life and funding it's just to much risk for the potential failure to reward!

The comment about 150th was about the fact you posted maybe not 14th, but what does it matter........if you ask me it matters quite a lot when looking at the overall picture. Maybe not 150....maybe 80th or 50th........(how should I know) but, the logic still applies that the placing will make a big difference!

2 days to go............then the real moaning starts.........

[Trigger_Andy]

With 87 years of Oil being produced at 250,000 barrels per day in one field alone in the West O f Shetland I think we are safe,lol.

But as I have pointed out dont take my word for it, its been reported in many articles from leading independent sources stating how well Scotland would do come indepencance. I presume you have not read them so I'll not dwell on them much more.

Could you tell me why rUK is so desperate to keep Scotland, please?

I am also interested in the 'Nitty gritty' points you seem to be so worried about though. Care to share?

If you where Scottish and had a viable chance to get away from all the corruption and a chance for a better country that kept the NHS and opposed the Bedrrom Tax, Welfare Cuts, The Royal Mail sell off and VAT increases would you not also go for it and take the chance.

Depends if you can look at it objectively?
If I were Scottish would I want to be Independent............ Yes, but I just couldn't vote yes to this! There are WAY to many points that have been missed or overlooked about If or when Scotland becomes independent! Not talking the big headline grabbers that you keep posting about, but the little nitty gritty stuff that will be day to day living!

I'm not risk averse but without more info on all aspects of Independent life and funding it's just to much risk for the potential failure to reward!

The comment about 150th was about the fact you posted maybe not 14th, but what does it matter........if you ask me it matters quite a lot when looking at the overall picture. Maybe not 150....maybe 80th or 50th........(how should I know) but, the logic still applies that the placing will make a big difference!

2 days to go............then the real moaning starts.........

[Trigger_Andy]

Just to lighten the mood.

[Trigger_Andy]

Another myth busted.

http://shaunynews.com/2014/09/15/scotla ... th-to-bed/

And a pic from today in George Square by EU citizens for an independent Scotland rally. It really is just the English that do not want Scotland to have independence.

[Mossy68]

No Andy. It's the English government that doesn't want Scotland to have independence. None of us really care either way.

[Trigger_Andy]

Sorry, thats what I meant.

Anyway, there is a big difference between English indifference and the rest of the world who fully back Scottish independence. Reading Engilsh peoples opinions on-line in forums and from News Papers is quite an eye opener. Mainly very bitter and nasty. Just my observations....

No Andy. It's the English government that doesn't want Scotland to have independence. None of us really care either way.

[Mossy68]

Sorry, thats what I meant.

Anyway, there is a big difference between English indifference and the rest of the world who fully back Scottish independence. Reading Engilsh peoples opinions on-line in forums and from News Papers is quite an eye opener. Mainly very bitter and nasty. Just my observations....

No Andy. It's the English government that doesn't want Scotland to have independence. None of us really care either way.

That surprises me. All the people I have spoke to about it have expressed no nasty feelings. Perhaps the budding politicians have been posting on the sites you frequent ?

[Dave81]

With 87 years of Oil being produced at 250,000 barrels per day in one field alone in the West O f Shetland I think we are safe,lol.

87, is that all? With that timescale your kids, kids may well be in a different Scotland to the new independent one your dreaming of! Or are you not looking out for future generations?

But as I have pointed out dont take my word for it, its been reported in many articles from leading independent sources stating how well Scotland would do come indepencance. I presume you have not read them so I'll not dwell on them much more.

I've not read any of your articles from leading independent sources as you have yet to post one.........nearly everyone you have, is massively sided and not objective!

Could you tell me why rUK is so desperate to keep Scotland, please?

I have no idea bar the political party stuff I posted a few pages back!
Could also be that the uncertain future for both will massively effect both and could possibly put us back in recession, as seen with the pound taking a big dive a few weeks ago after the Yes surge!

Nearly everyone (English and a few Scottish) that I have spoken too don't care as they don't have votes!

I am also interested in the 'Nitty gritty' points you seem to be so worried about though. Care to share?

Pensions, military, nhs, policing, all council funding and handouts, currency, debt, eu, border control, energy suppliers, food, water authority funding (the industry I work in) inc infrastructure, cross boarder working and permits, DVLA and the other smaller stuff I can't put my mind too!

I may have missed it, but Salmond seems too busy saying how great independence is and taking shots at Westminster rather than explaining what structure will be in place to safeguard the average Scot from the possible hike in cost of living at the beginning.......

Oh, that's right! Oil and Whiskey will subsidise you................. but only for the first 87 years!;);)

[Trigger_Andy]

With 87 years of Oil being produced at 250,000 barrels per day in one field alone in the West O f Shetland I think we are safe,lol.

87, is that all? With that timescale your kids, kids may well be in a different Scotland to the new independent one your dreaming of! Or are you not looking out for future generations?

Dave, thats one field. There is many more untapped fields out there waiting to be exploited. Norway has an Oil fund built up over the last 25 years to the tune of $826 billion and zero national debt. Let that sink in for a while.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101321953#.

The North Sea has around 50-100 years of oil left. We have not even started on the West of Shetland and currently we are not allowed to start in the Clyde Firth due to Trident. Where Scotland to set up an oil fund it would far ourstrip what Norway has put aside for the future generations. Next we have Scottish Coal again as mentioned earlier there is vast untapped reserves there. over 80% of the UK's un-worked reserves.

But more importantly Scotland has 25% of the potential renewable energy.

Again, oil makes up 15% of Scotlands GDP. We would still be a wealthy country without oil. With is we will be one of the richest.


But as I have pointed out dont take my word for it, its been reported in many articles from leading independent sources stating how well Scotland would do come indepencance. I presume you have not read them so I'll not dwell on them much more.

I've not read any of your articles from leading independent sources as you have yet to post one.........nearly everyone you have, is massively sided and not objective!

You have to be kidding me right? So Forbes Magazine, The Financial Times and someone who is regarded as the World Leader in Economics who also happens to be a Nobel laureate winner are all massively one sided and and nor objective? Ok Dave, I think I know what your last name is and I'll guess its Cameron,lol.

Could you tell me why rUK is so desperate to keep Scotland, please?

I have no idea bar the political party stuff I posted a few pages back!
Could also be that the uncertain future for both will massively effect both and could possibly put us back in recession, as seen with the pound taking a big dive a few weeks ago after the Yes surge!

Nearly everyone (English and a few Scottish) that I have spoken too don't care as they don't have votes!

I am also interested in the 'Nitty gritty' points you seem to be so worried about though. Care to share?

Pensions, military, nhs, policing, all council funding and handouts, currency, debt, eu, border control, energy suppliers, food, water authority funding (the industry I work in) inc infrastructure, cross boarder working and permits, DVLA and the other smaller stuff I can't put my mind too!

All covered. I can add more links to this but I feel I would be wasting my time as you clearly think every article is biased.

I may have missed it, but Salmond seems too busy saying how great independence is and taking shots at Westminster rather than explaining what structure will be in place to safeguard the average Scot from the possible hike in cost of living at the beginning.......

Oh, that's right! Oil and Whiskey will subsidise you................. but only for the first 87 years!;);)

Again Oil makes up 15% of Scotlands GDP, please wake up to this fact. What 'Subsadises' Norway? Sweeden? Denmark? Icland? New Zealand? You are clutching at straws here and I have no idea why.

[Jon Connolly]

Could you tell me why rUK is so desperate to keep Scotland, please?





Yes ... we want your oil

[latil]

We don't want your bagpipes.