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I gather it's a win win situation for Mr Toady, as if they vote yes he can act all smug and satisfied, then on the other hand, apparently Call me Dave has offered the scots some big incentives to vote no.
Maybe they need to let the english vote as well, that should get rid of them. All we need to do then is get rid of Cameron, Clegg and Millipede and get out the EU and the ECHR.

Actually, we lose big time. Westminster plan to punish Scotland big time if there is a no vote.

Of course it would not work. The one nation left out takes that accolade all by themselves.

No comments on the link then?

Jon Connolly wrote:

db wrote:How about if the Scots, Welsh, Cornish and Nor'n Irish all shunned England and joined together to form one Celtic Unified Nation Together?

Not sure what we'd call ourselves though...

How about Cornish United Northernirish Togetherwith Scots which could be shortened to ...



Oh no, hang on, that won`t work

I read the link.
Sorry Andy - load of propaganda. You only have to look at the source and the audience - its hardly an independent review is it ? I have no way of knowing whether any of that is true or not - let alone whether its a fair representation of the full picture. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Bent to support any given parties agenda. 'tis all too much for me.

I reckon there are any number of similarly constructed cases that make it seem a good idea to give up life here and head over to Syria. All of this stuff is written for an agenda; to manipulate those who have less of one. 'tis the same the world over and will always be thus.

Personally, I couldnt give a monkeys ref Scotland. But then maybe I would if I understood the full picture. I am just not convinced anyone with that level of bias/agenda can form an objective opinion either.


Phew. Wish you'd never asked yet ?

If you read the article then you would have also read that each statistic is clearly backed up with where the evidence came from. It is claer that regardless of the evidence show to English people they will never lose their attitude that Scotland is a massive drain on the UK and we are heavily subsidised by England and we should just keep quite and be happy with what we get.

And the English wonder why they are hated so much but the Scots.

Andy I think you are completely right about Scotland being better off on it's own.
The fact that the "British" (home counties) government is fighting so hard to prevent it is proof of that.

But I am going to feel very sorry for the people of Haltwhistle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28841108

Trigger_Andy wrote:If you read the article then you would have also read that each statistic is clearly backed up with where the evidence came from.

Yup. Dont disagree. But my point is its designed and presented purely to support an agenda. Its not a 'rounded' picture is it ? 10:1 there is another page somewhere which clearly states with facts figures and sources just how much money scotland costs the UK.


But you are right, they should be grateful. (Joking!Joking!!!! )

Trigger_Andy wrote: It is claer that regardless of the evidence show to English people they will never lose their attitude that Scotland is a massive drain on the UK and we are heavily subsidised by England and we should just keep quite and be happy with what we get.

And the English wonder why they are hated so much but the Scots.

Nothing like lumping us all in together....would you like a bigger brush to tar every Englishman with??

For the majority I have no problem with the Scottish.....or Welsh, NI even the Cornish (as they are very different from your typical human being ).

I also don't consider the Scots to be a drain.

What I do get everytime I turn on the TV is that there is a huge part of the Scottish population that detest the English as much as the Islamic Militant.

I have no idea if in or out will aid one or both or cost one or both in the long run. What I do not like is the fact that they bang on about wanting away from the nasty UK but want to keep parts of it (currency etc).

All or nothing as I've said before.......

I just don't understand the hate (maybe I'm too young)!!

So in a Union with a shared currency, (and a Bank started by a Scotsman) Scotland is taking the 'English' pound? Thats what Bananarama! so many people off. Anyway, there is nothing England can do (or will do) to stop Scotland using the Pound if Scotland gets Independence. Its just more scare mongering from Darling (and look what mess he got us into in the first place.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/new ... -scotland/

Another interesting argument for independence is if Scotland was already independent who would vote to join the UK?

scotland scotland scotland.... what about Belize!!

think of the consequences

where will bannanas come from in the future.

you've been warned

Dave

As always, Dave sears right to the nub of the matter.
Bananas > Scotland.

Trigger_Andy wrote:Another interesting argument for independence is if Scotland was already independent who would vote to join the UK?

Thats easy

who would vote to join the UK
most of North africa, south africa, zimbabwe a large proportion of eastern Europe and the italians and spanish

all doing it with their feet in dribs and drabs

they all know a good thing when the see it

even if it is pebble dashed a bit pokey and has damp in the wall of the back bedroom.....

we are not German our Govt and entertainers keep their grubby indescretions under wraps for 30 years and our ecconomy is alright...


there is a lot to like

you can leave your house after dark and expect not to be shot
Donkeys that don't get beaten
nobody throws tomatos around, well not in bulk
no rampaging bulls
we cook almost all of our pork products....i.e no buckets of salt water and leave it hannging in the shed for 6 months
refreshers
national health
and a country to the north to laugh at when they succeed in removing themselves from the union and landing themselves with the wealth and employmnet prospects of easter island.
"would you like to buy a statue of a mans head with a big nose....? oh i see....you don't

we can all walk up to Ecks Dyke* and wave

* Eck as in Wee Eck as in Oor Wullies mate as in Alexander, as in salmond
Dyke a ditch with a wall at the top.

as in Hadrians


infact Scotland stands out in being one of only a few countries that doesn't want to come here....

scotland and a large swathe of the middle east and thats about it


yeah the oil

and how many oil companies are owned by scotsmen and are based in scotland?

how many refinaries are owned by scotsmen graingemouth...erm no...

it won't take them long to start shipping in cheaper labour to work the rigs from say....England or Wales or NI...

and how much of the sea does a YES get you...

in fact what does a YES get you? does anyone know yet?

Dave

Dave, Oil makes up around 15% of Scotland's GDP, so although its a huge boon its definitely not the be all and end all. It has been estimated that Scotland would be one of the richest countries in the world per capita far out stripping England and on a par with Norway who basically survives on oil and Fishing. Scotland has a large field and when the West of Shetland comes into play (very soon) BP Claire field at 100,000bbls a day for example it will outstrip Norway. Our fishing fields are also much bigger. Lets not forget Whisky. Whisky amounts for 25% of the whole of the UKs food and drink exports, keep in mind Scotland population. Tartan, love it or loath it is also is a huge money maker, Harris Tweed also does very well.

Even today there is little reason for us to move South of the border considering we get free prescriptions and Uni etc. We also still have a majority of our indigenous people so its nice to be able to go to the local shops and share a common language. So obviously there is not many in Scotland rushing to move, if they do from my experience its because they have been asked to relocate, much like me to Norway. Just because the dregs of the world see the Uk as an easy target, manipulated for purely political reasons does not in fact make England that great at all.

I had to laugh about the not being shot part, not sure if that was sarcasm or just plain delusion?

National health is near bankrupt and again for political reasons. How may years before its privatized? You already have the dregs bringing to its knees.


So to answer your question, a yes vote gets us a damn site more of what we give away each year into our own coffers.

http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.ph ... mag-report

I very much doubt any vote will change my life for good or bad and in that respect I don't give a fig.
Scotland would be far better off pressing the UK govt to leave europe for all our good.
Check out todays latest announcement:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... m-cleaners

This is to be followed by rules for most other household appliances,ovens,hairdryers,almost everything else soon.
Leaving the union is small fry compared to the unchallenged rule of europe,an unelected superpower that answers to no one.