Scottish Independence.

Dave81 · Post by **Dave81** » Thu Sep 11, 14 1:02 pm

db wrote:I've been mostly avoiding this thread because I knew I'd find it annoying and tbh being a Welshie I'm not that fussed.
I'm amazed that you guys on either side of the argument actually believe any of the toss the politicks are trotting out.
The ONLY thing Cameron and his pet monkey give a crap about is their ego, and whether this will affect theirs and their friends money.
Salmon is ALSO a politician and therefore doesn't give a damn about anything but his wallet and his ego. Does anyone seriously believe he's any different?

NOBODY knows how a yes vote will affect people. There are NO facts at this stage, only biased guesses. On BOTH sides.

THE ONLY things you can be sure of are:
Some things will be better.
Some things will be worse.
Some folk will be better off.
Some folk won't.

It's purely down to whether the voters hate the current situation enough to take a chance.
It's just a toss of a coin.
Good luck

Been saying this for the last few weeks.......

Also agree at the end of the day its all P.......Bolitics so 99% BS!

latil · Post by **latil** » Thu Sep 11, 14 1:12 pm

I'm just hoping it's a yes vote. Then the Labour party will never again win a majority in government so avoiding massive public borrowing and this country being effectively bankrupted yet again.

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Thu Sep 11, 14 4:22 pm

There is a lot of ignorant comments here that are based purely on what they want to believe and not on any facts what-so-ever.

No. Scottish votes almost never make any difference
to the outcome of UK elections, and when they do it’s a
very small and short-lived one. Scottish independence
will NOT condemn the rest of the UK to permanent
Conservative governments - almost every Labour
government since WW2 would still have had a comfortable majority without any Scottish votes.
(For example, in 1997 Labour would still have had a
huge majority of 139 seats if all Scottish votes had been
removed. Even in 2005 it would have had a comfortable
majority of 43 seats without Scottish votes, rather than
the 66-seat majority it actually got.)

latil wrote:I'm just hoping it's a yes vote. Then the Labour party will never again win a majority in government so avoiding massive public borrowing and this country being effectively bankrupted yet again.

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Thu Sep 11, 14 6:48 pm

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/scotland- ... z3D1uNLcrg

Nice to see some reasoning away from the Scaremongering of the UK Press.

Plus some manipulation thrown in for tonights debate, pathetic;

Outrage! My daughter is attending the Big Debate aired tonight on bbc1. 16-17 year olds all debating on the referendum. She has just texted me to say they were asked to say they were No or undecided because the Yes voters were outweighing the No's. Thankfully Niamh told them to Bananarama! Off. Absolutely shocking corrupt media manipulation! Please share this, because no matter which way you are voting. Young people should not be manipulated in this manner!

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Thu Sep 11, 14 6:53 pm

More lies.

THey really are pulling out every trick in the book now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... esday.html

http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/20 ... ns-or-jobs

Mossy68 · Post by **Mossy68** » Thu Sep 11, 14 7:06 pm

Let's just say independence was as achieved , and Scotland was a wealthy little place where everyone was happy.
How would it defend itself ?
With a commodity such as oil I'm sure there will be a few not so nice countries waiting to invade.
How many troops does Scotland have ? At a guess I'd say 3 to 4 thousand ?
That would worry me !

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Thu Sep 11, 14 7:14 pm

How does Norway defend itself? Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland and New Zealand for that matter?

Mossy68 wrote:Let's just say independence was as achieved , and Scotland was a wealthy little place where everyone was happy.
How would it defend itself ?
With a commodity such as oil I'm sure there will be a few not so nice countries waiting to invade.
How many troops does Scotland have ? At a guess I'd say 3 to 4 thousand ?
That would worry me !

db · Post by db » Thu Sep 11, 14 7:19 pm

Not a problem Mossy- the Yanks would send drones in to 'accidentally' blow up a few ghettoes, terrify the locals and then kindly offer protection in exchange for numerous lucrative arms contracts.

Um? Sorry, wrong meeting

And while we're lowering the tone

Mossy68 · Post by **Mossy68** » Thu Sep 11, 14 7:54 pm

Trigger_Andy wrote:How does Norway defend itself? Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland and New Zealand for that matter?

Mossy68 wrote:Let's just say independence was as achieved , and Scotland was a wealthy little place where everyone was happy.
How would it defend itself ?
With a commodity such as oil I'm sure there will be a few not so nice countries waiting to invade.
How many troops does Scotland have ? At a guess I'd say 3 to 4 thousand ?
That would worry me !

By sharing its commodities with friendly neighbouring countries in return for " support" should a crisis occur !

mopar_mark · Post by **mopar_mark** » Thu Sep 11, 14 8:39 pm

Not sure how factual, but heard Scottish banks bring in more revenue than the Scottish oil.
I guess we won't have to prop up the Scottish banks if this goes ahead ?

Dave81 · Post by **Dave81** » Thu Sep 11, 14 8:59 pm

Bananarama! was being sorted tomorrow.........not sure I can take the whining and moaning on every radio, TV channel or web site anymore! It's almost 24/7 on constant SPIN!

Big issue could be that apparently it's 50/50 at the mo, so there's a possibility that 49% of the Scottish population won't be happy with the outcome...........could be an interesting few months!

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Thu Sep 11, 14 9:41 pm

Sooooo, just like the UK does now?

Could you tell me what commodities Norway, Switzerland and New Zealand shares with other countries for support?

Mossy68 wrote:
Trigger_Andy wrote:How does Norway defend itself? Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland and New Zealand for that matter?

Mossy68 wrote:Let's just say independence was as achieved , and Scotland was a wealthy little place where everyone was happy.
How would it defend itself ?
With a commodity such as oil I'm sure there will be a few not so nice countries waiting to invade.
How many troops does Scotland have ? At a guess I'd say 3 to 4 thousand ?
That would worry me !
By sharing its commodities with friendly neighbouring countries in return for " support" should a crisis occur !

BJ Mac · Post by **BJ Mac** » Thu Sep 11, 14 9:43 pm

Agreed Dave. Only one more week to put up with this crap

On the plus site I've saved a fortune by not watching TV, listening to the radio or buying a newspaper

Trigger_Andy · Post by **Trigger_Andy** » Thu Sep 11, 14 9:48 pm

The thing about Scottish Nationalism is we are trying to make a change. We are taking pride in the things we are achieving or will achieve if we get Independence. About the last line, we have met the English.

The picture really suits England well though. It has achieved nothing of note for the last 60 years apart from slowly but surely watch its empire crumble piece by piece. It is destroying itself from the inside out and is rotten to its political core. Scotland wants nothing to do With Trident nor do we wish to join the English in its warmongering.

db wrote:Not a problem Mossy- the Yanks would send drones in to 'accidentally' blow up a few ghettoes, terrify the locals and then kindly offer protection in exchange for numerous lucrative arms contracts.

Um? Sorry, wrong meeting ta

And while we're lowering the tone

Mossy68 · Post by **Mossy68** » Thu Sep 11, 14 9:58 pm

Trigger_Andy wrote:Sooooo, just like the UK does now?

Could you tell me what commodities Norway, Switzerland and New Zealand shares with other countries for support?

Mossy68 wrote:
Trigger_Andy wrote:How does Norway defend itself? Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland and New Zealand for that matter?

By sharing its commodities with friendly neighbouring countries in return for " support" should a crisis occur !

New Zealand = sheep with the Australians.

The Icelandic lot = musicians. (Havnt you ever watched the Eurovision Song Contest ?)